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alfreda89 ([personal profile] alfreda89) wrote2012-09-16 08:32 am

Aspiring Writers Info: What the Writer Sees/What the Reader Sees

As Patricia C. Wrede explains in "It's Not the Same," the reader and the writer are looking at very different things, and it helps to keep it in mind.

[identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. Whoever put that locked design over the text on that page should be dragged out and shot.

Had to give up a third of the way through. My eye kept fixing on the orange dots.

Speaking of readers and writers not reading the same way--hello, writer, one has to be able to -read- the text after you wrote it!

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it locked? I don't try to convert unless I'm lost (like purple on black -- I'm not the audience, there.) Pat dearly loves greys, and orange is a popular contrast to it.

I don't care for it, either, but we all gravitate toward our favorites. If I have a moment, I'll post a note to her telling her that people followed the link from my repost, but complained about the readability!

[identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Design stays put. Text moves under it. The left third of the text is obscured by curly orange dots. Maddening.

People really, -really- should not put distracting designs over their text. Or under it, either. No matter how pretty they think the designs are.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a client pick out a design that tiled and was fixed to the left of the web page. That was such trouble to nest!

Now, she needs to update her site. But she can't find anyone willing to do something simple for her, and her own attempts at working with a health group has generated lots of "material" she can use, but none of it relates to massage therapy. I may end up doing something in Wordpress for her, once I master it sufficiently.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you try to enlarge the text? I'm wondering what to point out to her.

[identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope you don't mind if I sound cranky, but I really don't have time to troubleshoot someone else's website.

Lots of free WordPress templates these days are clear, simple, and don't plaster crap over people's text. Lessons learned from the likes of AngelFire and MySpace.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No, absolutely not, of course. I just meant "Did you simply try to zoom and it would not?" or something of that ilk. I'll just mention that it was impossible to read the text over the dots. Thanks for letting me know -- if she doesn't change anything, I'll try to remember to warn readers that this is the dreaded "orange dots on gray" site.

I'll also ask her if she checked her site against Vischeck. My next site is probably going to be black text on white. I'm shifting to dark navy on white right now, as I tweak before a complete design.

[identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com 2012-09-16 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I think some of this must be browser issues. What I'm seeing is a decorative sidebar, which extends slightly under the text; the text box is translucent, and the orange dots become pale peach where they go underneath. It's also only a small overlap, and the top and bottom thirds of the text box are unaffected, only the central portion. I ended up reading most of it in the bottom third, below the dot overlap.

That's on a full-size monitor using Firefox. What it would look like on a smartphone, or with a different browser, may be completely different.
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[personal profile] pameladean 2012-09-16 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Just as an additional data point, in Opera the dots continue down the lefthand side through the comments, but they turn very pale peach under text and are not a problem -- well, not for my eyes; they may not work so well for others'.

P.

[identity profile] strigine.livejournal.com 2012-09-17 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
I think making the background behind the text opaque instead of translucent would fix it.

This is the current CSS:
div#content {
background: url("images/transparent.png") repeat scroll 0 0 transparent;

I would probably remove the background image, set a light gray color, and be sure to remove the "transparent" value. When I resize my screen the background of the content area covers up the orange so they don't interfere with reading.

(I would also personally add padding to that #content div, but, eh)

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-09-17 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
I think I'll just refer her to the conversation. I have no idea if Pat does this herself, or paid someone to set it up.

Thanks for your input!