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alfreda89 ([personal profile] alfreda89) wrote2005-12-05 02:26 am

The kid has guts

Adult Wiccan refused birth control

Not only was she a bad girl for wanting to have contraception in case she decided to start having sex (at 18) but she was a pagan, which meant she was depressed at the very least.

Her only mistake--she should have read up on the Southwestern Medical Clinic on their web site before going there. Of course, you'd think you could still get medical advice at a clinic, wouldn't you?

[identity profile] ladypoetess.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
I'm speechless. Last I checked, medical school and seminary were two totally different types of education.

She got upset and cried because he was not giving her the birth control she was requesting and because he was lecturing her, and suddenly that warrents a diagnosis of depression? Hardly!

I'm proud of the girl AND her father and HPS for standing by her publically for this. With having her father, particularly, standing with her, it sends a message that she isn't being a rebellious teen, etc. and that her parents are fully aware of her life & choices.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I was impressed that she a) discussed it with her father, who told her to get the Rx filled Just In Case, and b) that he's right behind her in this.

"Irritated" just doesn't describe how terrible this is--and if the courts don't squash this fast, it will build.

Whatever happened to people knowing that if they respected others' religions, there was a good chance their own practice would be respected? And no company was ever expected to accept that person a couldn't do their job because they didn't get along with a client. (There are plenty of folks down here who think Catholics, much less pagans and Muslims, are the spawn of the Devil. But that doesn't stop them from waiting on them, selling them things, etc.)

I do try to explain on occasion that pagans don't believe in the devil, much less worship him/her, but that upsets them for some reason. That "oh, no, you're screwing with my reality" stuff, I guess...

[identity profile] house-elf.livejournal.com 2005-12-06 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
There are plenty of folks down here who think Catholics, much less pagans and Muslims, are the spawn of the Devil.

I was raised to believe that the Catholic church was heathen, and the Pope was the antichrist. then of course there was the time that I actually pinned dad with that one...I asked "why". Oops! Not supposed to do that I guess. He said it was because they worshipped idols.
*chuckles*

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-06 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
He said it was because they worshipped idols.

Everybody is an art critic... ;^)

[identity profile] mongo42.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
“This isn’t the 1700s,” she said. “The Puritans aren’t in control any more.”

Hmmm. She doesn't follow the news very much, does she?

And I can certainly relate to "my god, it's 2:30am." I didn't get to sleep until after 4am. 2 1/2 hours of sleep and it's time for work.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm. She doesn't follow the news very much, does she?

That was my other, sad thought--that this should not happen, but that she should have checked out their web site before going there. I hope the ACLU rips--eh, settles this quickly and efficiently for her.

That returning over the IDL is a pain, isn't it? %^) Hope you had a great time!

[identity profile] noiseinmyhead.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Is this really an ACLU issue? or just bigotry exposed. My OB for C-bug doesn't prescribe BCP. So I don't go to him for those......but he doesn't lecture just states it is against his belief as a Catholic.

Now his diagnoses of depression after a 20 min session with an 18 year ols screams medical malpractice.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-16 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
Now his diagnoses of depression after a 20 min session with an 18 year old screams medical malpractice.

Only if someone goes after him--hence, ACLU, most likely.

Yes, if the MD tells you his policies, then you know where you stand. My GYN doesn't refer in fields he's not trained in (sort of like "Whether I personally like people means nothing about their ability at their profession") but I know that, so I don't ask.

[identity profile] madspark.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Jeez. And the xian's like to moan and wail about their being persecuted...

An off-topic rant...

I just finished reading the book "Galileo's Daughter" by Dava Sobel. Galileo was even more amazing than I realized, and is considered to be the father of experimental science by people like Einstein. And he was a very pious and religous man, too -- who happened to be brilliant and who was able to see things in the world around him that no one noticed before.

Of course, he had numerous enemies who only wanted to see what they wanted to see, and any intimation of change or vaguely perceived challenge to their comfortable beliefs threw them into a rage.

Watching with disgust the way the church treated Galileo, I am thankful that our founding fathers saw fit to remove religion from government -- and terrified how the fundamentalists are trying to insinuate it back in.

Go out and _read_ what it was like in the 1600s, what it meant to live in Italy or any Catholic country, if you want to see how the church would change our lives.

I'm sure they must fret at how they have to fight and scheme to get their fantasies into education -- the struggle of Intelligent Design springs to mind. How much easier it used to be, where they could just censure, lock or, or even kill people who dared to teach new truths discovered in the world.

The thing is, of course, is that Galileo had the right attitude. He said that the "received knowledge" of the holy scriptures, and the "discovered knowledge" he found with his own eyes in the world around him, sprung from the same divine source and there COULD be no conflict between them! The error was always in man's interpretation.

The bible doesn't serve to teach science, or answer the questions of "how" -- it is a guide to salvation, and a look at the "why's" of the universe. Science has no voice on the "why" but only looks to "how".

Anyway, have a good day y'all...

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is, of course, is that Galileo had the right attitude. He said that the "received knowledge" of the holy scriptures, and the "discovered knowledge" he found with his own eyes in the world around him, sprung from the same divine source and there COULD be no conflict between them! The error was always in man's interpretation.

We need a quote from Galileo on a bumper sticker! At least fundies read bumper stickers occasionally...

[identity profile] noiseinmyhead.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
"And we who listen to the sky or walk the dusty grade
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made
Or study cells or living things, seek Truth with open hand -
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.

Deep in flower and in flesh, in sky and soil and seed
The Truth has left its living word for anyone to read -
So turn and look where ere you think the Truth will be unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible, God wrote the world. "

Cat Faber

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-14 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
Very nice. Thanks for posting it!

[identity profile] madspark.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh -- I don't know if my login stuck when I posted that... anyway, it was me.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2005-12-05 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It came through!