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alfreda89 ([personal profile] alfreda89) wrote2012-08-25 10:10 am
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I hate shopping for laptops

It's been an interesting week, health-wise. Since not a lot else was getting done, other than a lovely dinner or two with friends I hadn't seen for a while, I started looking for computers again.

I started wobbling on purchasing a Mac. I am having trouble visualizing myself dropping that much money for a computer. Even if I buy an $800 PC laptop, a minimum Mac is $200+ more than that. So I returned to PCs, thinking that either a Dell or a Toshiba was what I wanted. I want reliability, and would like the computer to be upgradable and last at least five years.

It doesn't need a hot processor for games. It needs to handle text well. It needs a responsive keyboard for someone who types a lot (no Chiclets.) It needs a very good monitor, or an easy to see monitor that I can buy a TV to go with. It needs R-W drives, and to be able to read DVDs and CDs. I need USB ports for my Kindle, etc., an HDMI connection, and Ethernet. I'd prefer a hard drive in the computer, because I ideally will sometimes work where there is no cloud, and I can misplace a flash drive faster than you can blink.

Of course, it needs good speakers, wi-fi, a camera and mike. I'm not worried about software. I'm going to try Scrivner's, so if Office comes on the machine, great. If not, I'll try Open Office. And I'd like to get it for $800 or less.

A friend this week told me that unless I'm a business customer, Dell and Toshiba will probably give me lousy customer service. And a small biz customer will get no better service right now. He suggested Acer or ASUS.

http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/best-brands-2012.aspx

But these articles, among others, say Acer and ASUS are extremely unreliable, and that all customer service varies by as little as a point overall, and I should either buy a lemon protection plan or expect to be ignored by the manufacturer of whatever computer I buy. Some say Lenovo, some say HP -- and I'm deeply suspicious of the HP quality.

Unless I buy an Apple, and spring for the extended warranty.

So, am I looking for a unicorn? I really don't want to spend three months shipping a laptop back and forth, trying to get a machine that actually works. Should I just buy the cheapest workhorse and expect crap service if I need it? If I'm playing that game, I'm buying from Costco, since I have a relationship with them.
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[personal profile] lagilman 2012-08-25 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Up unti a few years ago I would have said "go with Dell Small Business, they're solid." And they suddenly they ...weren't.

Two years ago I switched to Apple, despite my intense dislike of their "nanny hardware" tendencies (I like to personalize my computers more than Mac allows). There are some rough spots in our relationship, but absolutely none of them have been re: service or repairs. I make a Genius Bar appointment, I go in, they fix it cheerfully, and I go on my way with no delay in productivity. That alone has made the money spent, worthwhile.


(I still have my Asus T3 and love it, but it's not a work-machine)

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the exact problem here. I live in greater Austin, for Pete's sake. But Dell is now a high-end biz machine, or a machine for surfing the Internet. It's not a writing machine.

So I think I'm looking at Toshiba or Apple. I could sell stock and get the Apple, or buy a Toshiba now, and get an Apple when cash is coming in again. A friend has offered to let me use their Apple discount this year, which was a lovely offer.

Thanks for letting me know about your experience!
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[personal profile] lagilman 2012-08-25 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
If you were closer, I'd offer to sell you my machine for half-price, and then indulge in an upgrade... ;-)


(I suppose there's always FedEx....)

Does it still have some Apple Care left?

[identity profile] sheilagh.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
That alone, getting her started with good service still available, would be so nice!

[identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm doing fine with a Dell Vostro from Dell Business, $650 with everything you're asking for, but I haven't tried to get service on it yet. That $650 btw covers two years of next business day, in-home service.

In my case it's not just that it would be "nice" to "save money" on a computer. I don't HAVE the kind of money that Apple asks for. The above was my budget, and the Dell had the most features for the price.

One place to find deals is gotapex.com, which frequently offers insider coupons for various computers.

For extended warranties, my sister recommends this: http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd really like to spend $600, Judy, because then I'd have a bit of a pad for a TV eventually. I've seen good and bad on the Vostro -- glad it is working so well for you. Good to know I can get the next-day, in-home service!

[identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Another one that comes well recommended is the Lenovo Thinkpad, but those start off pricier. Have to keep an eye out for deals.

[identity profile] ramblin-phyl.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
15 months ago my son, the computer engineer from intel, went computer shopping with me.

After 3 hours of typing on everything in my price range we settled on a Toshiba Satellite C655. 15" It was 2 generations away from their top price but still in production and has been a splendid workhorse for my needs. You might want an external monitor depending on your needs.

Son likes Toshiba for many reason, chief among them is that the design and manufacturing are next door to each other and intimately involved with each other.

He says HP is okay and likes that they are US owned, but design is in the US and the factory in Asia. He says tech support for either is excellent. I can't speak to that as I've never had to call them for my lovely little Toshiba.

[identity profile] joycemocha.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You might want to look at refurbished older Mac laptops. My MacBookPro is something like five or six years old...um, maybe six or seven, actually? and it's holding up fine, though I guess I really have to spring and upgrade the OS on it, finally. It's been the most reliable laptop I've ever had. I've had friends go with the refurbished Macs for writing and done well with them.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I have looked at refurbished ones, but when I see them listed at Apple, they are only 15% off retail. And a friend has offered me their employee discount this year, which is 15% off retail! I guess cheaper ones go faster at the re-manufactured shop. I could probably find one on Craig's List here (or could have, before school started up) but they aren't vetted. Local Mac repair places no longer sell them, they can't match Craig's list, but will vet them for a fee.

If it was just a casual machine, I could mess around with Craig's List, see if people were willing to take it to MacWorks and AppleHappy for a lemon check -- but I don't feel like I can buy a discounted Apple for $800 and find I got one of the few lemons out there. (They do exist!)

Phyl, thanks for your input on Toshiba! Kit, I will keep Frye's in mind -- I know it's just getting lucky with the sales, etc. Laura Anne, we might want to talk about it. I know you are swamped right now, though.

Hate.Buying.Computers.

I am an entwife. I want the computer to listen to me and do what I ask it to do All The Time.

[identity profile] originalkitsune.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to buy at Costco but they didn't have what i needed so i went with Frye's and ended up saving 100 bucks even after i spent money on extended waranty because i bought it during the last day of mercury retro. If Costco doesn't have what you want, keep looking.

Macs are lovely creatures. I keep wanting to add more to my fold.

[identity profile] tylik.livejournal.com 2012-08-25 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I just got a new Lenovo - not that my old Lenovo doesn't work, but at five years old (I buy top of the market when I buy) it's a bit underpowered for the 3d modeling and animation in a physics simulator I am doing.

I love their stuff - and their keyboards are the best. (There was a lot of fuss when they changed the keyboard style, as their keyboards were legendary... and I like my new one better. And I was pretty skeptical.) Oh, I'm thinking about their thinkpad line in particular. And buy from their site - much better deals that way.

I don't know about their support. Well, I know they have excellent on-site support for reasonable prices. And I know they make it easy for you to do your own work, which is what I do. And their stuff is just a bit behind Apple in terms of reliability, and unlike the new Apple machines, it can be serviced, none of this glued or soldered in crap.

Oh, and thumbs down on Asus support. I have a Transformer convertible tablet - and while I love it, when a cable failed, I didn't have my tablet for two months because of stupid support problems.

[identity profile] alfreda89.livejournal.com 2012-08-26 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
I just saw a report on a Lenovo that is supposed to be awesome -- it could challenge Mac, except apparently its screen stinks. How is the screen on yours?